Did any one see Sex and the City? It is obvisiously from the female point of view. Steve Cheats on Miranda, Big gets cold feet before the wedding, etc..
And I understand that there are another side to these relationships, the side we don't see. The man's side. Why did Steve cheat? He wasn't getting sex for 6 months. Why is big so afriad of marriage? He's been married twice before and it didn't work out. Legitimate fears but they had to be pushed to reveal it.
In relationship stuff in general , in the media, from word of mouth, I get the women's side of things. Women talk about this stuff a lot. Our relationship movies tend to be about women having trouble finding and keeping love. Men are often not that happy in their relationships, they cheat, they file for divorce. But they don't talk about it a lot . I don't see books written by men about marriage and what men want. ( some books are written by men but it seems they are written for women ) Do men speak up and I don't hear it or are men actually quiet about relationship stuff and what they want? Women have changed so much, it must be occuring to men that things are very different now than they were . Men seem lost in relationships, do men talk about it? What do men want? Are men getting it ( the stuff they want) ?
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Aschleigh
Los Angeles
  • Re: Sex and the city/ the other side?

    Sun, June 1, 2008 - 12:14 PM
    OMG! I can't believe you're giving away what's in the movie! I haven't seen it yet!
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      Sun, June 1, 2008 - 12:19 PM
      it's in the previews
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        Sun, June 1, 2008 - 3:50 PM
        ya, all that stuff is in the previews.

        As for the question(s) posed -Are men getting it? Even though Im the female half Im going to take a stab at answering this one based on my interactions with men.

        I am the only female in a sea of men where I work and I can tell you that guys gossip and talk to each other just as much as women.. sometimes I think even more. The main difference between men and women in this arena is that men dont go searching for more answers once they find one. For example, my boyfriend will ask me if he is good in bed. If I tell him that he could be better, he's not going to head out to the store and pick up a book on the Kama Sutra or Tantric Sex just to figure out what I want. He will ask me. I will tell him. Simple as that. If I dont tell him what I want, thats my fault. He might ask his buddies for any tips that their girlfriends like, but more often than not, he stops looking when he gets an answer.
        I'm assuming that there are a lot of women like me out there and if my boyfriend told me I wasnt rocking his socks, instead of just asking what he wants, I would be thirsty for more information on how to rock his socks the next time. I would be the one getting books, reading websites, talking to my girlfriends and best gay male friends and/or watching movies to see what I could be doing differently. My first thought would be that there was something wrong with me (and I need to fix it or I might lose my guy), not that he just might be sexually dysfunctional. You see, I can control me. I can 'fix' me. So if I do something about me, HE will continue to want me. right?...

        *self esteme check*

        When my guy friends get dumped, they dont wallow in misery about it and spend days wondering whats so wrong with them and why their girlfriend didnt want them anymore. In fact, most of em get a little bummed out and then theyre right back out there with their buddies on the hunt the next weekend. They think that if the last one wasnt the right girl, then the next one could be. Women have a tendency to blame whatever goes wrong in a relationship on themselves and so spend a lot of time talking to people and reading books about what they need to do to catch a guy, how to make a guy love them. how to keep a guy, etc... For women, relationships seem to be the #1 priority in their lives (myself included). For most men I know, relationships fall a little lower on the list so they aren't so obsessed with them.

        Ok, I really suck at articulating what Im thinking so I hope that made sense.
  • Re: Sex and the city/ the other side?

    Mon, June 2, 2008 - 1:59 AM
    Aschleigh,
    As a grown woman, who was over 27 years was addicted to soap operas, yes, I had an older sibling who watched Ryan's Hope and Edge of Night: brother's girlfriend graduated in the same class as Laurie Laughlin. I so wish for better than that thread titles.......

    You've been asking a lot of questions here lately and I can respect that.........


    But please for the goodness of males and females alike, don't relate them to soap operas!!! Maybe re do ypur question as to males fear of commitment??


    Just a suggestion...


    Lynn
  • Re: Sex and the city/ the other side?

    Mon, June 2, 2008 - 6:53 AM
    Men speak up all the time, but what they have to say isn't as compelling as what women say, so it tends to not get heard. We want pretty much the same stuff as women; love and some sypathetic company. But we express it in pretty prosaic terms, and at pretty obvious times (e.g., "Dinner was great!"; "Sex was great tonight!") rather than deconstructing and analyzing and rehashing things on an ongoing basis.
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    Mon, June 2, 2008 - 8:35 AM
    In terms of sex in the city... Um it's fiction.

    The women on the show <haven't seen the movie nor do I have any interest at all in seeing it <that might be a clue> But to use the generalizations put forth in that fiction.

    Big is right to get cold feet. Carrie is a self centered shop a holic who likely will be bringing a shit load of financial baggage and bills to the marriage.

    Miranda should have been putting out and should have worked on her issues long before.

    As to the other 2 I cannot recall their names... The Brunette is a nutter who wants some fantasy that does not exist anymore. I think she would drive the sanest man to a local white room.

    The slut what ever her name is might b a good ride but not much else.

    Aside from that all 4 are past the expiration date for the game they are playing.

    So the questions:
    >"Do men speak up and I don't hear it or are men actually quiet about relationship stuff and what they want? "<
    Men do talk. Generally we have a couple of confidants and discuss it with them. Men in general don't make it public knowlege.

    >"Women have changed so much, it must be occuring to men that things are very different now than they were . "<
    Yeah it occurs to us. Generally it makes life easier. You have heard the saying "Why buy the cow when the milk is free?" Well even more so there is always someone giving milk away. The big difference becomes that a woman can't expect to catch a man based on what is between her legs her game needs to be up a few notches. There was a time where the promise of sex could catch a man. On the flip side a lack of options for a woman should she become divorced kept her at home. The paradigm shifted. Due to the pill, readily available birth control, and readily available abortions, freed women from an increased risk of unwanted pregnancy, it freed men to some degree from the risk of unwanted marriage.

    >" Men seem lost in relationships, do men talk about it?"<
    Men may seem lost in relationships to women, I am more inclined to think that in relationships men are not tracking the same way as you and you may be displacing the confusion you are feeling onto them. I know in relationships I don't feel lost... But I also likely am not moving toward marriage with them. In general I do talk about it with my partner or a confidant. Not in the open.

    >"What do men want?"<
    In general the 3 F's Feed em fuck em fallate em. As for me decent intelligence and self esteem are a good thing. A high level of kink. And not making my life complicated.

    >" Are men getting it ( the stuff they want) ?"<
    Doesn't seem over the long run I do. Perhaps the standards are too high. Most the women I have dated can't seem to understand how to cook or keep from making my life more complicated than it has to be.

    JSin
    • Re: Sex and the city/ the other side?

      Mon, June 2, 2008 - 1:07 PM
      It is a soap opera. It is also scarily accurate to dating in a big city. The length of time people wait to get married. The braking up a lot.
      I was particually sad when Carrie choose the jerk who jerked her around for years ( BIG ) over the nice guy, Aiden. It happens all the time . The Jerk gets the girl.
      Big is way wealthier that Carrie, he doesn't care how much money she spends. Charlotte actually represents people who still exists ( somewhere in the middle of the country) although she's richer than most moms , stay at home moms or soccer mom. Miranda found out she was pregnant, not knowing what was going to happen with her relationship with the father, it's common. It's you know, Zeitgiest. It's fiction but obvisously appeals to a lot of women. Women balanceing career, and relationship and money , etc...
      It's also about female friendships.
      I have also had "relationships" where I was fucking all time and it didn't seem like enough, so I know that's bullshit.
    • Re: Sex and the city/ the other side?

      Thu, June 19, 2008 - 10:01 AM
      "Miranda should have been putting out and should have worked on her issues long before...

      The slut what ever her name is might b a good ride but not much else. .."

      It's attitudes like this that makes me really disgusted. Just because Miranda wasn't "putting out" doesn't make it right for him to cheat on her. Perhaps if there was some heart to heart communication, it wouldn't have happened. I find more often than not, men have a difficult time communicating when things get a little murky, while also taking the same attitude as yours, regarding that statement of making your life, "complicated". Relationships are complicated and take a lot of work. It's a two way street, by putting the blame on women, is quite an immature attitude.

      And what's this about Slut? Because Samantha is a strong woman, but also enjoys sex, she is called a slut and not good for anything else. WTF? If a man was getting sex on a constant basis, would you not instead be patting him on the back and have high respect for him? I find it interesting that a slut is still seen as a character trait that is more often than not, applied to a woman but not a man.
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        Thu, June 19, 2008 - 4:04 PM
        Miranda should have been putting out and should have worked on her issues long before...

        The slut what ever her name is might b a good ride but not much else. .."

        It would be great if straight up misogyny was noticed and not tolerated in this tribe.
        Sexism is a slippery slope ( lots of disagreements about what constitutes sexism and if that is bad or not ) , but the afore mentioned quote sounds like hatred of women.

        Name calling in general, even of fictional characters, I don't think needs to be tolerated.
        • Re: Sex and the city/ the other side?

          Fri, June 20, 2008 - 8:36 PM
          Slut... yes that evil nasty word. Most of my good friends are sluts. Most of the women I really respect are sluts. Most of the good rides I have had are sluts. I am a slut. The term is derogatory because you have allowed it power.

          Freaks Gawdamn freaks. I am a freak. I choose to take the power from that as well.

          As to Miranda. the reality is that in marriage there is some expectation of sex. I mean hell why bother otherwise really. If ya like you can have a platonic marriage. Is it the norm? Not even in fact I hear a lot of women complain that their partner does not SEXUALLY SATISFY them. I have fucked more than a couple few that have had that complaint. Like I said I'm A SLUT.

          Am I a Misogynist, nope I love women. In fact I want them to be equal. Ya know like work your ass off till your body gives out. Pick your own shit up. Load your own car pay your own bills and take me out every so often. Ya know just like the majority of ladies expect from a man.

          The wonderful thing about fictional characters is they cannot talk back and they cannot respond. They don't get their feelings hurt either. So my dear when Tribe gets a complaint from Miranda or the pretty hot decent ride then you can get your selected undergarments in a bunch and I will be happy to shake their hand and personally apologize to THEM for my evaluation of them. So conjure away.

          It seems you often get quite upset when men respond to your queries. Perhaps this is not the best venue for what you ask?

          JSin
        • Re: Sex and the city/ the other side?

          Fri, June 20, 2008 - 9:10 PM
          Ashleigh wrote:
          "It would be great if straight up misogyny was noticed and not tolerated in this tribe. "
          Passive aggressive as it may be.. Them's Fightin words. I would suggest you have demonstratable proof of my hatred toward women before you start slinging.

          JSin
          • Re: Sex and the city/ the other side?

            Fri, June 20, 2008 - 11:00 PM
            I am not upset. You certainly are entitled to your opinion. I find it misogynist. I am entitled to my opinion. It's actually just fine we don't agree.

            It's kind of like if gay people don't like to be called fag. Or some african-americans not don't like the word nigger. Or Asians don't like oriental. I stop using it out of respect for them.
            I find the word slut derogatory. Obvisiousley you will do what you want. And I don't mind you calling yourself a slut at all.

            Jsin
            I thought you have the women you lived with but are not dating, yet she's paying for your school, to pay your bills. And I thought she was paying the school bill so that you could stop working at the job that hurts your body.
            Or the women your dating yet not living with, does she pay the bills too?
            • Re: Sex and the city/ the other side?

              Sat, June 21, 2008 - 3:30 AM
              Ya wanna get personal Ashleigh?
              To answer your query I have a patron. Much like Leonardo, Kant and others have.

              I thought on your Query and comments. After a bit of pondering I figured it out. You are offended because you relate to these women. My condolences. You are past your expiration date, your biological clock is tic tic ticking away. You may never have the chance to breed much like the brunette chick. Oh how that must pain you to know that you will be incapable of infecting the earth with the continuation of your genome.

              The pain of not having a man to cater to you economic whim. To deny you the progeny. The wailing infant. The soft tender newborn lips upon your gravity challenged breast. No teeter totters, no swing sets, no theme bedrooms. no SUVs and soccer games. no pool parties.

              Oh the woh of a spinster.

              Oh and if ya do breed. Something I learned from my time with my now lovely, intelligent well adjusted college student daughter. Pick your battles.

              JSin
              • Re: Sex and the city/ the other side?

                Sat, June 21, 2008 - 8:23 AM
                Yikes. Cmon, you two, cut it out.
                • Re: Sex and the city/ the other side?

                  Sat, June 21, 2008 - 8:57 AM
                  really? I'm the only one who objects to women being called sluts , or name calling in general?
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                    Re: Sex and the city/ the other side?

                    Sat, June 21, 2008 - 11:30 AM
                    Aschleigh, we get it that slut is a trigger for you, and misogynist is equally incendiary for JSin. Name-calling is one thing; dragging personal details about someone's private life into a public forum is quite another. Both of you can stop now.
                    • Re: Sex and the city/ the other side?

                      Fri, June 27, 2008 - 1:41 PM
                      "Aschleigh, we get it that slut is a trigger for you, and misogynist is equally incendiary for JSin. Name-calling is one thing; dragging personal details about someone's private life into a public forum is quite another. Both of you can stop now."

                      THANK YOU!

                      l haven't been around much lately, and frankly, not being part of this kind of Tribe drama has made life in real time much easier to deal with. l'm here because in real time, JSin is a close friend of mine and he mentioned it, so l thought l'd check it out. However, l must apologize ahead of time, because even though JSin can fight his own battles just fine, l have a few words to say here.

                      "It would be great if straight up misogyny was noticed and not tolerated in this tribe.
                      Sexism is a slippery slope ( lots of disagreements about what constitutes sexism and if that is bad or not ) , but the afore mentioned quote sounds like hatred of women."

                      Then you hear wrong. l've known JSin for a number of years now. l don't hang out with misogynists, but he'll be the first to tell you that l often disagree with the way he words himself. He comes off the wrong way at times, but most who post alongside him seem to get that it's just his style. Hell, JSin's a feminist if you actually pay attention to a number of his posts on womens' rights and dues. But the real reason that l know you are wrong is because l've met his daughter, who is a Tribe friend, and they have one of the most honest, respectful relationships l've seen. She is smart as hell, has a mind of her own, and is far more mature than l could have hoped to be at that age. She's a strong young lady, and the kind of daughter her father should be -and is- proud of. He is the person she calls for advice, and when he delivers it, he is just as blunt as he is online, but he pulls no punches, and she both listens and challenges him on valid points. A misogynist cannot raise a woman like this.

                      "I thought you have the women you lived with but are not dating, yet she's paying for your school, to pay your bills. And I thought she was paying the school bill so that you could stop working at the job that hurts your body.
                      Or the women your dating yet not living with, does she pay the bills too?"

                      l've had quite a few disagreements with you, Aschleigh, and l make no bones about that, but for the most part, l just thought maybe you were young. Now l know that you are.

                      l can't begin to fathom why you think it's acceptable to bring up topics about someone's personal life that you know absolutely nothing about as though it will somehow give you an edge. This is netiquette one oh one, and what it tells us is that you are a dirty fighter, and that you aren't to be trusted. Congratulations.

                      "I do see that some people are offended by the word slut and some are not, like oriental or nigger or fag. "

                      Sure they are, that's a given. But l'd like to point out that on that show, Samantha herself claims sluthood, a convenient fact that seems to have been overlooked here. The implication, then, is she's taking the word back for herself. l'm a strong woman who likes sex, and l call myself a slut. Just because some (men and women) define it as a woman who indiscriminately sleeps around and spreads disease doesn't mean that's what l do just because l call myself one, and has more to do with their projections about it than my feelings on the matter, which aren't that major. lf l give it power, then it controls my life experience, and frankly, l have bigger things to worry about, like if all of HIllary's supporters are going to vote for McCain now. Anyway, 'slut' is the preferred term for asshole date-rape jocks, men with big cars and little dicks, and jilted lovers. When you think about it that way, sorta takes the oomph out of it.

                      But please don't say that you are just sticking up for other people who might be offended; this is an issue that clearly and obviously bothers *you*. At least own THAT. Also, getting upset over what someone calls a fictional character is weird.
                      • Re: Sex and the city/ the other side?

                        Fri, June 27, 2008 - 2:16 PM
                        I own that the word slut bothers me. I think I mentioned that .
                        • Re: Sex and the city/ the other side?

                          Fri, June 27, 2008 - 3:03 PM
                          And the absolutely unnecessary, unethical and mean-spirited personal attack on a person you happened to disagree with because he called the fictional character of a show (that you clearly go to bat for) a slut? Any responsibility around there somewhere, or are you going to say he deserved it?
                          • Bueller? Bueller?

                            Sat, June 28, 2008 - 4:13 PM
                            l'm waiting. Unless you just plan on not taking responsibility for your statements in the same manner you've been doing throughout this thread.
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                    Re: Sex and the city/ the other side?

                    Sat, June 21, 2008 - 3:07 PM
                    If you did a search, you'll see that many, many women on this and other tribes find the word 'slut' totally inoffensive.
                    It's good to know when it's time for a break, you know.

                    I don't really see the point in getting offended about fictional characters, anyway.
                    • Re: Sex and the city/ the other side?

                      Sun, June 22, 2008 - 12:50 PM
                      It's not so much that he called this fictional character a slut, which to me being called that doesn't have to be a negative disrespectful thing, but it was more about the derogatory phrasing to the statement that bothered me.

                      "The slut what ever her name is might b a good ride but not much else. .."

                      Yes, it is true, it's only a fictional character, but the statement still signifies an attitude that can carry over to real life. I acknowledge that what one says in writing could be misunderstood because you cannot hear the tone of how it is said, but it seems to state that women who really enjoy sex with more than one partner, is not someone you would take seriously and want to have a relationship with.
                      • Re: Sex and the city/ the other side?

                        Sun, June 22, 2008 - 2:26 PM
                        "I acknowledge that what one says in writing could be misunderstood because you cannot hear the tone of how it is said, but it seems to state that women who really enjoy sex with more than one partner, is not someone you would take seriously and want to have a relationship with."

                        And some people do -not- take those people seriously enough to consider a relationship with. That's their prerogative. Why is that a problem for you?

                        ~ Kole
                      • Re: Sex and the city/ the other side?

                        Sun, June 22, 2008 - 3:46 PM
                        Ah I see you looked at it as a wider scope than an individual evaluation of an individual FICTITIOUS character. Being I am poly I have no problem with a woman who has a desire for sex with multiple partners. I find the women portrayed in Sex in the city to be the worst possible examples of female behavior.

                        Many women here on this forum and others I post to do enjoy sex with multiple partners, they are strong women and they have my respect as individuals and people. Hell some of them definitely are folks I would love to have more than a most superficial relationship with.

                        But do I have any desire to have a relationship with is she seems to have no concern for the partners she has aside from their use as sexual objects or more significantly individuals they date. I remember a couple episodes one of my Ex's made me suffer through that she decided she was a lesbian because it was more fashionable. This is not a quality woman

                        Despite what you believe my reasoning for not having a relationship with but rather perhaps only takin her out for a test drive is I am sick and tired of having women of her ilk in my life. Personally I believe I deserve women who are more emotionally secure and far less self centered. The fictional charater does not meet that minimum level of qualification.

                        JSin
                        • Re: Sex and the city/ the other side?

                          Sun, June 22, 2008 - 6:45 PM
                          regarding Kole's post:

                          Lots of people want bad things for them. Some people "want" heroin or abuse in their lives. I can't give that to them.
                          They may feel much better with a partner who is a heroin addict or who abuses them. That's the extreme of course.
                          But even in a mild form people use relationships and substances to avoid themselves, their own feelings, their responsibilities. I don't want to be used in that way, I don't want to use someone in that way.
                          We don't give kids as much candy as they want BECAUSE we care for them. I have asked for another go round of a terrible dysfunctional relationship, in retrospect I am glad it was not given to me.
                          If we are not healthy in general, our wants tend to be unhealthy too. Doesn't mean I should give people what they want just because they want it.
                          Samantha has lots to offer, friendship, she was in a long term monogamous relationship with Smith for 5 years, she is a business women, intelligence, ambition, strength through her cancer.
                          • Re: Sex and the city/ the other side?

                            Mon, June 23, 2008 - 8:24 PM
                            Sure, Asch. Point is, no one is asking you to tell them what's 'good' or 'bad' for them. They may have a legitimate reason for requesting what you're not willing to give because of your prejudgements that you may never be in a position to understand.

                            The only request is that you allow them to determine what is and is not good for them in their life instead of attempting to mother them, particularly when they -specifically- ask for something else.

                            Unless you want to be 'overprotective Mom of grown-ass man' for however many years. That's your choice, and not one for me to judge.

                            ~ Kole
                            • Re: Sex and the city/ the other side?

                              Mon, June 23, 2008 - 9:12 PM
                              If some one wants heroin or abuse in their relationship, I can tell them that it's bad but I probably should just walk away. No use in telling them that it's bad to want such things. They actually on some level know.

                              There has got to be a healthy "acting as a parent" of a lover, as opposed to mothering my husband . I haven't figured it out yet though. When or how is too much, when/how is appropriate. Different situations may require some mothering. I sometimes need some fathering in my boyfriends. Some of the fathering I missed when my dad left when I was 4, would be appriciated.
                              I hope to find a well mothered guy who can take his mother issues to his mother or is at least is conscious of them and willing to work them out with me in the open.

                              ( actually since I have been studying psychology and I meet people and tell them I am going to be a psychologist, they ask me all sorts of stuff. Like about anxiety and depression and what is good and what is bad. It's interesting to say the least . I know I ask my psychologist if something is 'bad' or "good" , she often tries to let me think it through before she tells me her opinion. She's a "good" psychologist. )
                              Come to think of it, relationships and psychology have a lot to do with re-parenting . This time better than the first time. This time in conjunction with the "child". This time parenting the child within . ( way off topic, oh well)
                              • Re: Sex and the city/ the other side?

                                Mon, June 23, 2008 - 11:03 PM
                                Oh wow... It make soo much sense now why you have soo many triggers on so many things... Good luck with that whole playing out the Oedipal complex thing. Oh sure Mommy I will stick my thing in you if ya want me too...

                                Personally I have a Mommy I DO NOT need one for a lover.

                                JSin
                                • Re: Sex and the city/ the other side?

                                  Mon, June 23, 2008 - 11:08 PM
                                  I had problems with my father and stepfather but I DO NOT want my man to be my father. I am an adult and fathering is for the children. I think it will be difficult to find someone well-adjusted that wants to share that dynamic.
                                  • Re: Sex and the city/ the other side?

                                    Mon, June 23, 2008 - 11:27 PM
                                    Yeah exactly... I am a seriously kinky bastard and have be party to "Play" in the bedroom concerning age play. But this does not extend to day to day life. Outside of kinky role play I would likely consider it pretty maladjusted. And ya know Damn if I thought my Therapist believed that was completely well adjusted behavior I would seriously consider looking to have her credentials removed for incompetence.

                                    Um yeah Ashliegh... Good luck with that whole Psych thing. Perhaps it is best if ya become a kept breeder.

                                    JSin
                              • Re: Sex and the city/ the other side?

                                Thu, June 26, 2008 - 8:57 PM
                                seems to me that wanting to find a man who is not only a full-time provider, a lover, a partner *and* who makes up for what was missing from not having a dad is setting yourself up for complete and utter failure, ashleigh.

                                there is no healthy "acting as a parent' in a relationship between adults. adults do not look to their partners to be mothers or fathers, especially to make up for many years of what they think they should have had. this might be why your relationships aren't panning out the way you want.. i can't think of a single emotionally healthy man who wants to have to be a father to his girlfriend... that is exhausting to say the least.

                                there are possibly behaviors that some might classify as "acting as a parent" (such as comforting you when you are hurt, or helping you understand your role in a situation and how you could have done it differently), but those are really being supportive, not being a mommy or a daddy.

                                and there is also no such thing as "good" or "bad" - there is only what works and what doesn't work, and that is different for different people. beyond a code of trying to do no harm to anyone, not much else is written in stone.... it's just not how life works, no matter how many psychology classes you take, or how many shrinks you ask, there simply is no rule book about human behavior or standards.

                                personally, i found that more looking inward, and less looking outward, for the answers, was the key.
                                • Re: Sex and the city/ the other side?

                                  Thu, June 26, 2008 - 9:25 PM
                                  I feel misunderstood but I don't know if there is anything that I can say to be understood.
                                  No one will make up for me not having a dad there growing up. No one needs to .

                                  By acting as a parent, I mean providing care. It can be healthy to "parent" a spouse when needed. In the most extreme to actually change a diaper when the spouse has cancer and can't make it to the bathroom. But in everyday cases like cooking for someone or something little like " do you want to take a sweater with you just in case? " . Things I would do for my kids or spouse, acts of caring.

                                  You can read the same research I have. Particularly Getting the love you want by Harville Hendrix. Not that you would unnecessarily agree. Lots of research on how we use our relationships to replay and resolve our parental relationships with our partners. and if we do that consciously there is much opportunity for healing. "healthy adult" has lots of variations. Some people , lot have great lives on the outside but I don't really count them as healthy on the inside
                                  A psychologist herself may act out the parenting role, listening, mirroring, a model of emotional availability to another adult. This can be healthy. I have older friends who " act as parent" towards me. ( my one older man friend organized a good share of my recent move, he had experience with uhaul and moving, he was great) It is healthy to have lots of parental figures in my life.

                                  If there is no right or wrong, how is their utter failure? If I learn and experience more of who I am from each relationship, how could I fail?
                                  • Re: Sex and the city/ the other side?

                                    Fri, June 27, 2008 - 1:54 AM
                                    Face it. you are fucked. Period

                                    Get some counseling. Do not try to fix others.

                                    Quit trying to fuck daddy.

                                    Do not breed, your child will be fucked the hell up.

                                    Do not use your psyche cred as a justification to breed. My grandpa was a psychiatrist his kids got fucked on it. The craziest kids I know had psych based parents.

                                    Tell ya what... just don't breed and prolly don't fuck anyone for a while. It would be for the best Electra.
                                    www.irishhypnotherapy.com/page21.html

                                    JSin