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It seems like people are flipping their shit. Are we just hearing about it more or has it actually increased?
Why do you think this is? People freaking out over Obama? Fear of gun control? The recession? Glen Beck?
Killing people IRL is not sexy.
Why do you think this is? People freaking out over Obama? Fear of gun control? The recession? Glen Beck?
Killing people IRL is not sexy.
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Re: so many shootings (Xposted)
Mon, April 27, 2009 - 9:13 PMNah, we just hear from more of them, instantly.
Shit has always happened. It used to take months to hear the "news".
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Re: so many shootings (Xposted)
Mon, April 27, 2009 - 10:16 PMThings are a bit more intense...and,imo, will continue in that direction..but it's not time to get weapons and get all freaked out.
Fear is a powerful thing and we are living in scary times...many people have been living hard hard lives for a very long time..now there are more.
To attempt to be *more* peaceful and kind than ever before is a worthwhile endeavor, I think.
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Re: so many shootings (Xposted)
Mon, April 27, 2009 - 11:35 PMNothing wrong with kindness when you're protected. :)
~ Kole
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Re: so many shootings (Xposted)
Tue, April 28, 2009 - 6:23 AMI think some of it is basic fear mongering by the media, or perhaps that some of the latest killings have been a bit out of the ordinary. Another aspect may be the stress of the current economic situation with foreclosure and all is spurring some killing.
That being said i don't think it has actually increased the rate that much. I would have to look at the crime analysis for the year. It may have gone up but I don't believe so.
I agree RL dead bodies are not sexy.
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Re: so many shootings (Xposted)
Tue, April 28, 2009 - 10:55 AMI don't think there has been any more killing that usual.
I just think that revolution and transformation are in the air and that feels like death in a way. It is a death to old ways and birth to new ways.
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Re: so many shootings (Xposted)
Tue, April 28, 2009 - 2:00 PMAshliegh really... seems ya missed the revolution... Or as best as we are likely to see. It was non violent... It happened Nov 4. It worked the way the founding fathers wanted it to without too much bloodshed.
Are people still scared shitless??? Yeah I think many are. Is the current situation stressful... Hell yes. Are many acting in a manner inconsistent with what many would consider their core character, maybe.
Like I said before. It may be up a bit, it may be folks you wouldn't on prima facia consider one who would pull the trigger. There are gun control fears <though Obama has backed down hard on that one deciding it is not viable>.
When ya actually see a real revolution, lemme know, I have little faith in the bureaucracy. Don't get me wrong, I like Obama a lot, I think he is our best hope. But I see too many aspects of Shock Doctrine occurring including corporate welfare when the screw the pooch.
I don't actually feel death, i have a lot of hope and a feeling the light at the end of the tunnel is not a train for one of the few times in my life. The birth you may be feeling is the resurrection of the old ways... the death is of the newborne corporate fascist machine shrub created. Perhaps at some point I will get my civil liberties back.
But that is off the topic <sorry for the hijack quel>
Are there more bodies... Once again nope, don't think so. But gotta see the stats and rates per 100000. My suspician is it is not any worse.
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Re: so many shootings (Xposted)
Tue, April 28, 2009 - 2:05 PMEach revolution probably has it's own flavor. I doubt that the people living through the french revolution knew they were living through a revolution, until later. Hopefully revolution gets less bloody as time goes on. -
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Re: so many shootings (Xposted)
Tue, April 28, 2009 - 2:08 PMOh, they knew. There is no comparison. I would read up on the French Revolution if I were you. -
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Tue, April 28, 2009 - 2:15 PM
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Re: so many shootings (Xposted)
Tue, April 28, 2009 - 2:17 PMI don't wonder why the news covers the bad stuff , almost exclusively. The rating have to do with satisfying a sense in humans that feels better or more full when it hears of or talks about negativity. ( the pain body in Eckhardt Tolle speak)
I am comparing that and other revolutions to this revolution. Each one having it's own flavor, it's own time. -
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Re: so many shootings (Xposted)
Tue, April 28, 2009 - 5:48 PMROTHFLMAO.... Really..... There is no fucking comparison. Ya think when they are offing nobles and their support staff and the whole fucking system it is even comparable to what is going on now? Really?
When ya walk out of your shop stepping over a noble's head... Your slippers wet with blood Um yeah that would be a revolution.
Oh not that one.... Um maybe you are thinking about a real peaceful one like the Russian revolution. Where ya had to step over a royal's head and your slippers were coated with blood.
Really Ashleigh. Here is a clue. Ya know what one of those are right??? Pick it up baby doll... It is something you are lacking.
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Re: so many shootings (Xposted)
Tue, April 28, 2009 - 6:49 PMfrom wiki-pedia: A revolution (from the Latin revolutio, "a turn around") is a fundamental change in power or organizational structures that takes place in a relatively short period of time
I think we are seeing fundamental change in power structures in a relatively short time.
Gloria Stienem wrote a book called Revolution from Within . No blood or guts there ( although she may have had an illegal abortion back in the day) . Revolution need not be bloody or involve killing people. I believe Nelson Mandela taking over from the Aparthied regime in South Africa could be called a revolution. People died along the way certainly, but that was a bloodless change in power structures.
I get that revolution can include war and killing . But I don't think it has to.
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Re: so many shootings (Xposted)
Tue, April 28, 2009 - 7:25 PMWOW.... No seriously WOW
Do you remember that time about 4 hours ago... When I told you you missed the revolution... Ya know that one we had in November. The Non violent one. Ya know that one. The one the founding fathers did their best to assure would occur..
BTW the response is ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ Above this one
Don't shift or slime...REALLY. You claimed the French Didn't know there was a revolution.
Ahhh the giggles and laughs my friends and I had. Not 2 hours ago reading you claim while eating French cheese.
OK I gave you the op to grab a clue a couple posts ago... maybe you did not see it. We will try again. Despite your utter lack of intelligence, believe it or not I think you are purty special. So like so many developmentally disabled I will give you a shot at another clue... You ready?
Here it comes
Just a little one
The French Revolution was bloody and ugly... so bad Thom Jefferson sailed over and missed the US constitutional convention.
OI the fucking world knew there was a revolution
Try again or fucking meditate. whatever... talk to fucking squirrels... whatever... But do not fucking claim yo have a semblance of clue on history or sociology. You cannot even pick one up when it is handed to you.
CLUE #3= STFU you are fully qualled IdtenT
J<heartless asshole>Sin
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Re: so many shootings (Xposted)
Tue, April 28, 2009 - 7:37 PMI see changes in legislation but no fundamental change in the power structures unless you mean they're getting more entrenched. I applaud the policy changes Obama has made but there are more powerful people than our politicians and they are not giving up their sway. The way we do business is still exploitative and will remain so. The middle and lower classes will continue to fight over the scraps thrown from the capitalist's table. I am not saying capitalism itself is bad, just a majority of the capitalists and that is a small group of oligarchs. They really run the country because they control the resources. Inequality is at its worst since the 1930's and a small tax hike for the wealthy is causing protests. That is not fundamental change. Fundamental change would be raising minimum wage to something livable, universal healthcare and a total restructuring of the government. -
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Re: so many shootings (Xposted)
Tue, April 28, 2009 - 7:58 PMCan I have have a HELL YEAH.... That would be a revolution... That and Murdoch with a pole up his ass outside the whitehouse gate. Shove Dick Cheney on it as well.
JSin
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Re: so many shootings (Xposted)
Tue, April 28, 2009 - 2:07 PMI wonder if the rate of killing is the same but the raison du jour has changed. The coverage has sure increased and, Asch, if you wonder why the news covers it... ratings. The spin they put on it, however does have an effect. They spin what sells. If Fox found it more profitable to be libertarian, they'd jump all over it.
A few months back there seemed to be story upon story about small planes crashing. I wondered if it was happening more often or just being covered more often now that the elections are over.
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Re: so many shootings (Xposted)
Tue, April 28, 2009 - 11:23 AMI don't sense any revolution, but I also have high standards for what that would mean. Ever since the election, is seems as if the yahoos have come out of the shadows even more. Obama has already broken the record for presidential death threats, not that I am surprised about that.
I wonder, if I wasn't in LA, what my experience would be. If I were still in Georgia, would it seem more tense. The rebellious heritage of the South certainly plays itself out and defenders of the Confederate flag are probably in a huge uproar.
The thing that freaks me out is that some of these shooters claim the rampaged because Obama was going to take their guns away. The NRA and Glenn Beck have been saying this as well despite the facts. There is certainly a heightened national tension about our well-being these days. Maybe we need to revive FDR's fireside chats. -
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Re: so many shootings (Xposted)
Tue, April 28, 2009 - 11:41 AMYou sound like the local news. I wonder why they perpetuate that stuff. ( if it bleeds it leads) Why do you? -
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Re: so many shootings (Xposted)
Tue, April 28, 2009 - 11:54 AMAre you kidding? I have no idea what the local news is, but I do read about current events, which I would recommend if you want to be aware. Sorry, but I'm not one of those people that only pay attention to the realities that suit me. There is a world around us and pretending doesn't make it go away. NOT addressing it perpetuates is. There is a ton of misinformation and the effects are real, in these cases, they cost people their lives. Am I perpetuating that?
I realize the focus of your studies is on the individual, the focus of mine is on the community and society at large. If you don't see the connection and are only intellectually curious about the former, perhaps you need a more well-rounded curriculum.
Keeping our heads in the clouds only allow those who know social engineering to continue hoodwinking us. If we fail to recognize cause and effect on the societal psyche, we fail to truly understand what it is to be human.
I see no reason why I should be incurious about why people believe things that are obviously not true, why they act upon them and why entities are encouraging that thought. If we don't shine a light, we'll all be left in the darkness. -
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Re: so many shootings (Xposted)
Tue, April 28, 2009 - 11:56 AM... and if you don't have any input as to what I posted, why are you posting? Isn't that perpetuating?
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Re: so many shootings (Xposted)
Tue, April 28, 2009 - 12:29 PM<I see no reason why I should be incurious about why people believe things that are obviously not true, why they act upon them and why entities are encouraging that thought.>
I'm right there with you, quel.
Shine that light.
I do think things are bit more violent and crazy lately. I don't think it's my imagination either. I read the newspaper and follow current event.
Things are not simply the way we wish they would be.. if only wishing made it so, alas, it does not.
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Re: so many shootings (Xposted)
Wed, April 29, 2009 - 6:51 AMGenerally the crime cycle goes up as things get tougher economy wise. The poor often turn to crime in times of economic crisis. The people living close to the vest are hit hardest when things go badly. If you were struggling before this money fiasco, chances are high that you are FUCKED now, so crime might become a viable alternative to starving.
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Re: so many shootings (Xposted)
Wed, April 29, 2009 - 11:53 AMJsin, sometimes I tune you out. Sometimes on purpose and sometimes not.
I didn't miss the Election, that is the revolution I am speaking about. Nov 4th and since, still a relatively short amount of time. -
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Re: so many shootings (Xposted)
Thu, April 30, 2009 - 10:27 AMFundamental change would be raising minimum wage to something livable, universal healthcare and a total restructuring of the government.
I agree.I think it will take more than 100 days to accomplish this though. It makes sense to me that poverty or the illusion of lack creates crime.
I think that revolution that people tend to talk about, like walking over noble's heads and what not is the big dramatic points of a revolution. Even that revolution was probably cooking for months and years, in a lot of long boring meetings. And then went on for years after .
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Re: so many shootings (Xposted)
Thu, April 30, 2009 - 2:06 PMActually, it happens rather quickly when people are starving. I really encourage you to do some research. The French Revolution had many stages and lasted around 10 yrs with many quick changes, power grabs and upheavals. The suffering before and during was acute and I doubt the meetings were boring given that everyone was subject to beheading at any given moment depending on the fickle climate.
This is no revolution by any stretch when our government is simply working with the existing framework, not tearing it down to build anew. Until lobbyists no longer exist and money isn't king, we will have more of the same. The condiments may change as well as some of the side dishes, but meat is meat and our government keeps serving it up.
I really think it's important to intelligent discourse to have a factual basis in what you're saying.
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Re: so many shootings (Xposted)
Sat, May 2, 2009 - 9:54 PMActually, this is nothing compared to how bad things got during the Great Depression, in the 1930's. Far,ers sabotaged milk deliveries to drive up prices; Army troops and mounted police attacked demonstrating auto workers in detrot; grocery stores in Oklahoma were raided during food riots. Ah, those were the days!
Kurt Vonnegut was once quoted as saying that given the inevitability of an economic downturn, things would get really scary given that there were (and are) so many guns in circulation. The man had foresight!